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What made you decide to take the leap

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I have always had a strong resilience muscle, I think

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I really do just believe if you're giving

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it your all and if you're putting in the actions to go for it

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things will just work out

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Today, on Sunday Sessions

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I'm joined by Matilda Murray

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She is the co--owner of one of Australia's fastest--growing activewear brands

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Stax

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What started as a small online store has grown into a global activewear empire

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pire, worn by millions of women and men around the world

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Going from selling a few tights and one

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sellout to double figure multi--million dollar business

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That leap is rough

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We're like firefighters every day

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running a business with so many fires to put out

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but they get easier

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The fires don't get smaller, I would say

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but you just get more experienced in putting that flame out

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What have you made time for

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People are losing their minds on TikTok because people moisturize

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Is it like an old person's thing

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Not that I'm putting you in my bucket

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but I think it is because my mum taught me to do it

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Making those little moments

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taking an extra second or two makes all the difference

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If you're growing your business or want to learn more about Matilda

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this episode is for you

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You are such an inspiration in terms of what it looks like to be a boss bitch

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that is not a bitch

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Thank you

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I love that

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And that is you

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Let's get into it

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Matilda Murray

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welcome to Sunday Sessions

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Thank you for having me, my love

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So nice to have you here

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I want to ask you a question that I don't think a lot of people

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especially not on podcasts, would ask

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But as founders

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I don't think people understand the day--to-day and what we go through

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and that we're putting out fires every single day

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and no day is the same and most days are hard and shit

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and everyone only sees the glam

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fun stuff

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So my question to you is, how are you

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I'm good

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I'm really good

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We We have definitely had some shit, but at the moment

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the last couple of days

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the last couple of weeks

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Don and I were even saying that this morning

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like, today's a good day

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and we just feel like where

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every single day we're making progress

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whether that be big, small

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one step forward every single day

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and we're like, on the right path

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And Don and I talk about it all the time, like

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business is so hard

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I don't know why we, as founders, owners

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expect everything to be like rainbows and butterflies of fires

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and you're making all this money and you

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don't have to work because you own your own business and time is your

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it's not the reality

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you're like, oh, this was a good thing that happened today

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I'm glad

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I'm glad that it's your day

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Thank you for asking

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Well, I've been up all night on freight and logistics

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very well that when things don't arrive on time

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it's heartbreaking and you've got hundreds

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of customers that expected it to arrive on time and it didn't

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and you are talking to the freight and logistics

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team and the freight company and they can't get it fast enough

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and but that's that's every day, yeah

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we're putting out fires every single day

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so I'm glad things things are going well

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and it's hard because people don't understand

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like if they can't get their product on time

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you didn't choose that, like

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obviously you would want everyone to have their product early

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like in the ideal world

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so it's like, it's hard, I don't know

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it's just like little of you trying to manage something that is so big

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And out of your control, really

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Your makeup looks too good

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No, we're not going to cry today

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But I love the fact that you and I see each other quite often

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and we can really sit down as founders and go

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hey, this is the truth

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and this is how I'm feeling today

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It was a nice breakfast the other day

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We were just like, so honest

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It was an International Women's Day breakfast

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and we sat down and we talked about the

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shit and the issues that are coming up every single day for us

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we have been able to create businesses that we love

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and Stacks is their most coolest

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incredible business

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who is this Matilda Murray

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She is so cool

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cool, and yet I find out now that you actually came from the corporate world

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yes, and in HR, what made you decide to take the leap and go

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you know what

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corporate life's no longer for me

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it's so funny because I

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have always come from like both my parents are school teachers

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so I've always known to have, like, a safe job

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and so when I first met Don, who I own, starts with, um

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I was working corporate

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I was working in recruitment

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and I thought it was cute that Don was going to sell like a pair of tights

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like bless, I'll be the sugar mama

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like he can sell his pair of tights on the side

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like, I'm not really interested

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and he was your boyfriend

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and he was my boyfriend, um, now your husband, oh my god

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now I call him my ex--boyfriend

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he doesn't really like that

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but technically he is my ex-boyfriend right

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also my husband, um, but he's graduated

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and um, I had no interest in working for myself

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I had no interest in joining Stacks whatsoever

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I literally thought it was just like cute

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that Don was going to sell some tights

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um, and then I started dating Don and I started helping out in the business

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um, we were both very much in the fitness scene

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I used to compete in like bodybuilding shows and bikini competitions

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and we used to train at the gym

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and Don would be selling tights and then

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the girls would come to me with feedback on the tights because I was Don's

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partner

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and then it's much easier to give feedback on women's activewear to a woman

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so then I'd be giving the feedback

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and then suddenly I was just like, in the business, I was competing

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so I loved doing photo shoots at the time and then during my lunch breaks

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I'm working on it, you know

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when my boss isn't looking

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I'm working on stacks

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and suddenly I was just like, in the brand

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so I don't think if I didn't fall in love with the brand

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I'm not sure I would have branched out and left

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recruitment I wasn't looking to

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I didn't think, oh, I'm gonna like, I'm

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when I'm growing up

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I didn't think I was going to be an entrepreneur like that didn't happen

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but I'm very much open to the universe and science

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and, you know, just jumping, not jumping in

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it was all very strategic

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I'm quite type a in a sense that, like

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we needed to hit particular sales every single day

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in order for Don to leave his job and go full--time

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and then, in order for me

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to go full-time but But, you know, it just kind of happened

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I really did just fall into it

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I wasn't someone growing up that was thinking, like

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I'm going to run my own business

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I'm going to do this

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and a corporate job was going to be your life forever

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Is that how you saw your life

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So I always wanted to be a journalist

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I really wanted to be like the editor of Cosmo or something like that

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like talking about sheep or something

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so maybe I should explore other options

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And I fell into recruitment

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Again, I didn't, I sound so like Loxie Daisy

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but I didn't really have a plan

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I did beauty therapy

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I left school when I was 16

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Then I went, which I lied about my resume

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to get all my corporate jobs

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I graduated from my high school

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I did beauty therapy for a while

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I ended up getting a receptionist job

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which is paying better than beauty therapy

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The receptionist job was in recruitment

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I worked really hard as a receptionist, moved to admin

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moved to junior recruiter

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worked my way up to, like

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account management and things like that

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So I just kind of got in jobs and I just did really well at them

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So it was just, I kind of just trusted the path

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But Emma Greed says this

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when you're in a job

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like you were the receptionist and then you moved into the recruitment

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she says that no matter what you do, you

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you should be giving your 100 best and you will get noticed

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and i feel like that's you

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and you were giving your best at everything

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so then when stacks came along and then you, i

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i could just see you

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just you were just giving it

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i mean, you still do

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but you just gave it your all

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i remember when it blew up and you were everywhere and you've

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you've taken that with you

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so really, whatever you

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whatever you chose to do

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would probably have been a huge Thank you

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But that scary moment of taking one corporate job and moving into another

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and you say that it was because you started making enough money with Stacks

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to, I guess, give you and Don a salary

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It was just everything that was coming in

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was going straight back to the business Yeah

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because I think it all looks so fun and glamorous

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when we start these businesses

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And I was working at Channel 7

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So I was full time and that was the job I loved

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So I was a journalist

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And I'd get up at three o'clock in the morning

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and I'd report on the news live on Sunrise

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The sheep's in the farm

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like my mom would say

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Sometimes I was at a farm, sometimes a fire

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sometimes a murder scene

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Sometimes I was at the airport, COVID or anything

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that was the breaking news

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I was there

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and you had to get up at that time because you had to be at the scene by five

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and you start at 5

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I thought that that was going to be my job for the rest of my life

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I was a columnist and I did work at Cosmo

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Stop

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How did I not know this

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I did work at Cosmo for a bit

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You've lived my dream

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I wrote stories for all the magazines

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and I had a column with the City Morning Herald about dating

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And my point is, is that I really wanted to be a news journalist

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And that column was five years

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And when I quit and went to news

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that was one of the hardest decisions

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The salary took a massive cut

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I had to move to the country and start doing stories about sheep

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literally moved to Wagga, Wagga and Orange

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No wonder we get along so well

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New South Wales countryside

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And I did that

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And that was the most difficult decision of my entire life

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I left this lucrative career

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career in writing to go into TV, but in the country

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So when I left Channel 7 to come to Naked Sundays

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the decision was less scary because I'd done it before

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It was like a muscle that knew, hey

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you're going to be okay

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What was that muscle for you

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I, I have always had a strong resilience muscle

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I think like, I just like, I, I know

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like you said, whatever I put my mind to

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I will work really hard at it

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Whether it be doing, you know

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promo work for Naked Sundays back in the day

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like whatever it is, like

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I will give it my 110%

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And I really do just believe

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like, if you're giving it your all and you're putting the steps

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if you're putting in the actions to go for it, like

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things will just work out

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And I really do to believe that

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As long as you're taking action

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I'm not going to sit back and not do anything and be like, oh

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everything will work out fine

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Putting action in, making those small steps every single day

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it's like keeping promises that you make to yourself

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and that's how you build confidence and

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resilience and trust in yourself that you will get things done

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I think I've always been someone that's done that

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So even when I was working in corporate and I was competing, competing

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that was so hard, like managing that both

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But I did it because anything that I say that I'm going to do

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and like I put my word behind, I'll get it done

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And I've always just had that faith and trust in myself that that will happen

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And again, like, I feel like the more experiences you have

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like you said

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when you've left a job to take another job or you had to make that leap

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the more confidence you get within yourself

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and it gets easier to do it all the time

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And, you know, some things, I mean, like you said, it's

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we're like firefighters every day

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like running a business has so many fires to put out

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but they get easier

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The fires don't get smaller, I would say

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but you just get more experienced in

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in putting that flame out

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So it's, um, it's definitely a muscle

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and you know where to prioritize your stresses

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So all the way that you react So like, if a customer, for example

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comes and they're so angry about something

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I always think like, that

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you know, that used to really bother me

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And then now we're able to kind of compartmentalize

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things and be able to solve that problem beyond to the next problem

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Because truthfully, that is the day

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It's problems here, problems there

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working through

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and then also, you know

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turning up on socials and making sure you're still, you know

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chatting to the community, doing all of this

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So it's, you kind of do have to compartmentalize it

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And I think that really helps with resilience

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I love what you said about mindset and just knowing and really telling yourself

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not just knowing, but really telling yourself deep inside

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this is going to work out

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but I need to put in a hundred percent effort

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I need to take the steps

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Yeah

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Okay

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So you're selling tights with Don

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and you are not paying yourself a salary

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and you're thinking of leaving your corporate job

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When did Stacks blow up

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Hmm

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I would say we moved to because we're from Perth originally

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so we moved to Perth

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moved from Perth to Sydney

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it's six years down

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so it must be like 2019

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2020 and then just before COVID

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so we were in Sydney for a couple of

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maybe one year and then COVID happened

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and we were all in lockdown

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and um, nobody was wearing like blazers and suits anymore

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everyone was in active wear

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everyone was in tights

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and I remember we had this one

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launch premium seamless, um and again

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we were in lockdown, so I was we I

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I've told this story a couple of times

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but I know you said

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every time I tell it

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you get a little bit more info out of me

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I just don't

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a lot of people listening haven't heard it

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yes, I promise you, it's so inspiring for whoever's watching

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I need to hear it

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okay, fab, so I was getting excited, so don't stop, all right, okay guys

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so we have um

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premium seamless is always a really

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really big launch for us

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we recently launched premium seamless sculpt just a couple of weeks ago

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um, wait, i think that was last week

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time is flying though

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but we um in it just just for everyone who's listening

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those launches are organized months in advance

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and when you finally

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launch it, you're onto the next 100 and you forget, like

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i don't know what month we're in, i have no idea

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um, but we had this premium

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seamless shoot organized

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and it was, you know, this was like five, six years ago now

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and we just got into lockdown

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so we couldn't have

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we couldn't do the shoot, we couldn't fly

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any of the models across

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we had like this influencer strategy

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and I remember it was when influencers were kind of like

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huge

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And we were flying

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It was the first time we were ever going to be hosting influencers

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So we were flying people from, you know, Gold Coast, from Perth

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from Melbourne

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and they were all going to come and do this shoot

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And then we went into lockdown and we're like, oh my God

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what are we going to do

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So obviously they weren't allowed to leave

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Well, no one was allowed to do the shoot whatsoever

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So I ended up being the model for the shoot

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Don is a self, I'm self

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I wouldn't even say I'm a self--taught model

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I had no idea what I was doing

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Don, self-taught photographer

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And he shot the campaign

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we, like, had a little

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it was hardly a studio, we had, like, a, um

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a tie--dye style curtain thing up in the background

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it's better than it sounds, it's still

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it's still nicer than what you're imagining

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um, and we shot this campaign, it was gorgeous, loved it, ended up in vogue

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which was so cool, and then we launched our premium seamless

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um, after the shipment had gone missing again

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logistics six nightmare because the world had shut down

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china had shut down

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we couldn't track our shipment anymore

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so we had emptied our bank accounts to pay for the shipment

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and we couldn't track it

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because no one was replying

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because everyone was in lockdown, and um

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thankfully the shipment arrived, we put it online, we launched

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we were telling the story about the fact that we

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we were telling the story without realizing what we were doing

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we didn't

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it wasn't a marketing plan

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i've always had, just been really open on socials

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and I told my mine and stacks community that we had the shoot plan

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but we couldn't do it

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so I'm going to be modeling

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Don's the photographer

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and we took people on the journey without realizing what we were doing

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so everyone was so excited for this launch

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we sold out in 60 seconds, um

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which was incredible

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and I feel like that was really the time where we were like, oh

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you know this, this could be something we were also, um

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we dressed a lot of math stars at the time, um

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and it was like it was that time where influencers and reality stars were really popping

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so anytime the paparazzi was around, like in sydney

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the maths girls were wearing stacks and the paparazzi were busy

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during that lockdown period

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i never thought about this because they wanted to catch people out, right

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they wanted to make sure you weren't five

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kilometers away from your house or whatever

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so, and yet they were probably 20k from their house

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no comment but

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But, hey, they were tapping our girls

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and our girls were all in stacks

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Yes

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Brilliant

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I didn't realize that would have been, like

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one of the reasons we were getting so many hits as well

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That was a crazy time

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I remember someone posted their Apple Watch and they had walked, like

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11 kilometers or something

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So people were like

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that is more than five kilometers there and five kilometers back

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So they were, like, busted

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But they were all in stacks

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So it was fine

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They were all in stacks

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Yes

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And I think at that time

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Donna and I were like, wow

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Like, it's –

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because we had no idea how it was going to go

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We didn't know if anyone was going to be shopping

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I mean, I sure wasn't shopping at the time

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Like, I didn't know the world was in lockdown

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I didn't know if Auspost was going to turn up to take our parcels every day

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Like, I had no idea what was going to be happening

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So when this launch went so well, thank God

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we were kind of mind--blown by it

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I mean, in saying that, we also

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we messed up because we..

490
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Then you had normal stock

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No, we forgot to turn off the oversell

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That happens in Shopify

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And there's a tiny little button where you can tick and say

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keep selling when you're out of stock

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And we accidentally had that on

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So we're celebrating

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we've sold out in one minute and then we

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realized how we're still making sales because we didn't turn off oversell

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So we also somehow managed to do pre--order as well without realizing

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And then after that, you thought, okay

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Stacks is a real business now

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Yeah

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And, but what I've realized

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and I know that you're the same

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is that going from selling a few tights and one sellout, which is amazing

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to a double--figure

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multimillion--dollar business

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That leap is rough

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It's not what people think it is

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What are some of the issues that you've faced

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And it all looks so exciting on socials

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and I know how well you guys are doing

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but what is something that you've faced during that time

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where you've just thought

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this might not work

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Yeah, I think it's really interesting when you do sell out

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I haven't said this before

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When you do sell out

519
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it's sometimes really hard to forecast for the next launch

520
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because you can get too confident that you're going to sell out again

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And not every launch sells out, unfortunately

522
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There was a time where every launch was selling out

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launch after launch, after launch

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So we'd order more stock

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And then you get to a point where it's not selling out anymore

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but there's also a benefit to that

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because if you're running ads

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you do want product because otherwise

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what's the point of running ads

530
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so people would jump on our website and

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there'll be no stock and then they'd be annoyed

532
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so we had to come to a happy medium of making sure launches are really successful

533
00:19:09,750 --> 00:19:13,930
but then we also have enough stock to keep going in between launch periods

534
00:19:13,930 --> 00:19:14,610
because you can have, like

535
00:19:14,610 --> 00:19:16,850
really big launch days and then you don't

536
00:19:16,850 --> 00:19:18,430
want no sales for the next couple of weeks

537
00:19:18,430 --> 00:19:21,970
so, um, that's a that's an interesting balance

538
00:19:21,970 --> 00:19:23,650
I think I don't do that

539
00:19:23,650 --> 00:19:24,490
I don't do the logistics

540
00:19:24,490 --> 00:19:27,350
so don't ask me any more questions about that because I we have a team

541
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:28,570
that does that do you

542
00:19:28,570 --> 00:19:32,990
thank god, I can't do the maths, absolutely not

543
00:19:32,990 --> 00:19:34,750
um, but there's, I mean

544
00:19:34,750 --> 00:19:37,770
there's quite a few times where things will happen

545
00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:40,130
and Don and I are like, like

546
00:19:40,130 --> 00:19:42,150
how are we going to recover

547
00:19:42,150 --> 00:19:44,570
or how are we going to keep pushing forward

548
00:19:44,570 --> 00:19:46,210
have we made the right decision

549
00:19:46,210 --> 00:19:51,190
and there's something that I am so big on is changing your mind

550
00:19:51,190 --> 00:19:56,830
I think that people really hold everybody to such like, no, you said this

551
00:19:56,830 --> 00:19:58,590
so you have to stay like that forever

552
00:19:58,590 --> 00:19:59,870
that's the only option

553
00:19:59,870 --> 00:20:01,650
but we're all humans

554
00:20:01,650 --> 00:20:03,270
this is our first time

555
00:20:03,270 --> 00:20:04,490
like having a human experience

556
00:20:04,490 --> 00:20:05,650
we're all just trying to do our best

557
00:20:05,650 --> 00:20:09,030
we're making decisions that we think are the right thing to do at the time

558
00:20:09,030 --> 00:20:12,350
but like, we're growing and learning constantly

559
00:20:12,450 --> 00:20:14,110
So give me two weeks and I might have a

560
00:20:14,110 --> 00:20:15,390
completely different opinion on something

561
00:20:15,550 --> 00:20:16,589
And that's okay

562
00:20:16,589 --> 00:20:20,650
I think people should be able to change their mind and being able to pivot

563
00:20:20,650 --> 00:20:24,309
change your mind and have the confidence to do that

564
00:20:24,410 --> 00:20:26,650
Even having the confidence to say like

565
00:20:26,650 --> 00:20:27,780
you're wrong about something

566
00:20:27,780 --> 00:20:29,510
Like, that's not a bad thing

567
00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:30,490
That's just a human thing

568
00:20:30,490 --> 00:20:32,790
And everyone should feel safe enough to do that

569
00:20:32,790 --> 00:20:34,670
Donna and I do feel safe enough to do that

570
00:20:34,670 --> 00:20:38,720
There's been times where we haven't, because I think we thought, oh

571
00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,470
we need to pretend we know what we're doing all all the time

572
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:43,730
or, you know, we've built this business and the title that comes with it, or

573
00:20:43,730 --> 00:20:45,370
you know, figures you might read about

574
00:20:45,370 --> 00:20:46,890
so we should

575
00:20:46,890 --> 00:20:49,590
we automatically think we're held to a higher

576
00:20:49,590 --> 00:20:51,570
standard and we have all this pressure on us

577
00:20:51,570 --> 00:20:53,590
but it's just pressure that society puts on you

578
00:20:53,590 --> 00:20:56,350
when you take a step back and realize that everyone's just human

579
00:20:56,350 --> 00:20:57,790
we're all simply doing our best

580
00:20:57,790 --> 00:20:59,510
you're allowed to change your mind

581
00:20:59,510 --> 00:21:01,330
you're allowed to go back on something that you said

582
00:21:01,330 --> 00:21:02,150
as long as you didn't

583
00:21:02,150 --> 00:21:03,110
pinky promise, I guess

584
00:21:03,110 --> 00:21:04,790
but you know, we're all human

585
00:21:04,790 --> 00:21:09,130
and knowing that you can change your mind is really quite empowering

586
00:21:09,449 --> 00:21:11,230
It could also save the business

587
00:21:11,860 --> 00:21:12,580
Yeah

588
00:21:12,580 --> 00:21:14,580
I think that's really, really important, what you just said

589
00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:15,420
to save the business

590
00:21:15,420 --> 00:21:17,860
because a lot of times people do

591
00:21:17,860 --> 00:21:19,699
and it's a bit of ego as well

592
00:21:19,699 --> 00:21:21,069
Well, hang on, I made this decision

593
00:21:21,069 --> 00:21:23,720
I'm going to keep going on this path and that

594
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:25,340
path is just going to get worse and worse

595
00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:29,000
And I think the adage is true of, I guess

596
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,260
if it's a staff member, you know

597
00:21:30,260 --> 00:21:33,800
or someone is not doing what they need

598
00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,390
need to do, or it's gone really bad

599
00:21:36,390 --> 00:21:37,960
let them go quickly

600
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,220
Don't keep going or let go of that issue quickly

601
00:21:41,220 --> 00:21:42,700
Just that's not working

602
00:21:42,700 --> 00:21:43,710
Let's move on

603
00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:47,910
And I really, there's a lot of things that happen in our businesses

604
00:21:47,930 --> 00:21:49,630
but I think if we can make those quicker

605
00:21:49,630 --> 00:21:53,620
decisions rather than hold on to what we initially thought was right

606
00:21:53,620 --> 00:21:56,450
then I think we can save the business

607
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:57,949
And it's funny you say those words

608
00:21:57,949 --> 00:22:00,660
There's daily, I need to save the business

609
00:22:00,660 --> 00:22:02,330
I need to save this product launch

610
00:22:02,330 --> 00:22:03,570
i need to save something

611
00:22:03,570 --> 00:22:05,310
i don't think people realize, yeah

612
00:22:05,310 --> 00:22:09,350
it's a daily thing that we have to say and our team has to be flexible as well

613
00:22:09,350 --> 00:22:11,930
because that's something that don and i always say when we interview

614
00:22:11,930 --> 00:22:13,070
we're like, can you pivot

615
00:22:13,070 --> 00:22:13,870
are you flexible

616
00:22:13,870 --> 00:22:15,110
don will do a cam

617
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:17,390
don will shoot a campaign and then the next day be like, i hate it

618
00:22:17,390 --> 00:22:20,670
we're not doing it and the team are like, what, like, we just

619
00:22:20,670 --> 00:22:22,650
but i mean, it doesn't happen very often

620
00:22:22,650 --> 00:22:24,590
but myself

621
00:22:27,180 --> 00:22:28,020
but it happens

622
00:22:28,020 --> 00:22:30,020
And at the end of the day, like

623
00:22:30,020 --> 00:22:31,800
the team has to be able to pivot

624
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,420
or you'll work with an influencer and then

625
00:22:34,420 --> 00:22:37,280
they've done something controversial and you're like, you know, thank God

626
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:37,880
that hasn't happened

627
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,960
But I see it happening in brands and I'm like, they have to pivot

628
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:41,070
And that's part of it

629
00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,320
You do have to be flexible and be able to, just like

630
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:44,939
roll with the punches

631
00:22:44,939 --> 00:22:46,340
How is it working with your husband

632
00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,770
I love it

633
00:22:49,020 --> 00:22:52,760
Don and I are really lucky because we are quite opposite, but we're also so

634
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:53,480
really similar

635
00:22:53,959 --> 00:22:55,930
We have completely different roles

636
00:22:55,930 --> 00:22:57,670
I say, I do all the glossy stuff

637
00:22:57,670 --> 00:23:00,919
So I do like the front facing, I do the PR, I do the marketing

638
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,360
I help out with

639
00:23:02,360 --> 00:23:04,110
like, I was going to say the designs

640
00:23:04,110 --> 00:23:07,540
but I give feedback on our designers pieces

641
00:23:07,540 --> 00:23:09,150
I make sure that I love them

642
00:23:09,150 --> 00:23:10,280
I'll send through trends

643
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:11,790
I send through things that I want

644
00:23:11,790 --> 00:23:13,740
And then Don does the rest of it

645
00:23:13,740 --> 00:23:14,920
So he does, like the CEO

646
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,060
he does the financials

647
00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:18,580
he does the firing of people

648
00:23:18,580 --> 00:23:20,020
He does all of that

649
00:23:20,020 --> 00:23:23,300
like nitty--gritty stuff, thank god

650
00:23:23,300 --> 00:23:26,100
um, because even though I worked in recruitment

651
00:23:26,100 --> 00:23:29,220
like firing and hiring your own staff, it's really tough

652
00:23:29,220 --> 00:23:33,620
um, so I think that that's the key to Don and

653
00:23:33,620 --> 00:23:37,620
I's success of working together is that we have to have different skill sets

654
00:23:37,620 --> 00:23:42,940
um, we have to be able to balance out a whole

655
00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,920
like two separate job roles

656
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:46,920
you know, I'm not like, type

657
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:48,920
sharing a keyboard and typing with him every day

658
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,220
it's because then that will be a waste, you know, it's one brain

659
00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:53,780
whereas we're two brains that are working in the business

660
00:23:53,780 --> 00:23:55,500
and sometimes, I mean

661
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:57,340
there's a lot of the time

662
00:23:57,340 --> 00:23:59,580
where staff will be with Don more than I am

663
00:23:59,580 --> 00:24:01,940
it's not like we're together all day, every day

664
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:07,060
today I'm here, I have another appointment, I've got meetings, I'm off site

665
00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:08,160
so it's not like we're together

666
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,520
working all the time

667
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,580
but what is really cool is that at the end of the day, his wins

668
00:24:13,580 --> 00:24:15,590
my, my wins, they're our wins

669
00:24:15,590 --> 00:24:18,080
Anything that's gone wrong, we both understand

670
00:24:18,180 --> 00:24:20,900
If you are married to someone and then they

671
00:24:20,900 --> 00:24:22,300
come home and they've had a really shitty day

672
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,040
they're in a mood

673
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,220
You'll think that you did something wrong, but really

674
00:24:26,220 --> 00:24:27,310
it's something that happened at work

675
00:24:27,310 --> 00:24:31,320
Whereas we understand that and we know every day what's going on

676
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:32,370
We celebrate the wins together

677
00:24:32,370 --> 00:24:33,820
We cry about the losses together

678
00:24:33,820 --> 00:24:35,270
We're both on the same mission

679
00:24:35,270 --> 00:24:37,719
When we disagree about things

680
00:24:37,719 --> 00:24:40,180
we know that we're on the same path and we have the same

681
00:24:40,180 --> 00:24:41,300
like, end goal in mind

682
00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:43,580
which is really nice, I've heard Don say

683
00:24:43,580 --> 00:24:45,540
and I find I found it interesting when he said

684
00:24:45,540 --> 00:24:49,360
this is that he doesn't get too high on the highs or too low on the lows

685
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,560
and he just keeps this middle ground

686
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:52,340
are you the same

687
00:24:52,340 --> 00:24:59,259
um, I am now, I think I'm getting better at it, I think I, yeah

688
00:24:59,259 --> 00:25:01,660
I would say I after

689
00:25:01,660 --> 00:25:04,140
like, the last couple of years and I feel like

690
00:25:04,140 --> 00:25:05,800
it's just been a big growth stage for us

691
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,940
like, um, like, personally

692
00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:10,160
the last couple of years have really, like

693
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,940
tested us in highs and in lows

694
00:25:11,940 --> 00:25:14,460
and you do have to kind of come to a spot

695
00:25:14,460 --> 00:25:16,640
where was it

696
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,600
steven bartlett was saying the other day

697
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,060
i was listening to a pod and he was saying that

698
00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:22,570
he has, you know, 200, no

699
00:25:22,570 --> 00:25:24,030
he has more than 200 stuff he has a lot of

700
00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:27,770
every single day he will get something that will derail his day

701
00:25:28,090 --> 00:25:30,990
because, and it's not nothing to do with the business, it'll be a staff

702
00:25:30,990 --> 00:25:31,950
something to do with the staff

703
00:25:31,950 --> 00:25:33,220
and it would derail his day

704
00:25:33,220 --> 00:25:36,690
And if he put all of his energy into that

705
00:25:36,690 --> 00:25:38,360
you never get anything else done

706
00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:39,720
So every day something bad happens

707
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,790
Every day something good happens

708
00:25:40,790 --> 00:25:46,490
You need to just maintain a level where you can compartmentalize

709
00:25:46,490 --> 00:25:47,460
It's tough to learn

710
00:25:47,460 --> 00:25:48,030
It's really tough

711
00:25:48,030 --> 00:25:50,209
I heard that too in the podcast

712
00:25:50,209 --> 00:25:50,580
Yeah

713
00:25:50,580 --> 00:25:53,750
It is really tough, but I completely agree with that

714
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:55,490
And I think that Don is fantastic at it

715
00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:56,460
He's better at it than me

716
00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:58,390
but I am getting any better

717
00:25:58,390 --> 00:26:00,610
because, you know, he's in the office every day

718
00:26:00,610 --> 00:26:01,690
he's got the staff coming in

719
00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:02,490
he'll be chatting to them

720
00:26:02,490 --> 00:26:05,170
they'll have an issue that he needs to work through

721
00:26:05,170 --> 00:26:07,630
they leave, another person will come in

722
00:26:07,630 --> 00:26:10,270
there's another issue so you can't carry the issues on

723
00:26:10,270 --> 00:26:11,970
you do need to be able to have a break

724
00:26:11,970 --> 00:26:12,770
and at the end of the day

725
00:26:12,770 --> 00:26:14,590
even though sex is our life

726
00:26:14,590 --> 00:26:17,510
it is also just work, you know

727
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:18,370
it's our job as well

728
00:26:18,370 --> 00:26:20,110
is it

729
00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:22,050
yes, it is

730
00:26:22,050 --> 00:26:23,510
do you go home at 5 p

731
00:26:23,510 --> 00:26:24,910
m and that's it for the day

732
00:26:24,910 --> 00:26:26,010
no, are you lying

733
00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:30,240
No, but when things are tough, I say to Don, like, you know

734
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,010
this is work

735
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:34,630
You have to say it to yourself and you have to separate at times

736
00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:36,450
There are times when it's difficult to separate

737
00:26:36,670 --> 00:26:38,170
Oh, I think it is always

738
00:26:38,350 --> 00:26:39,170
I say the words

739
00:26:39,170 --> 00:26:40,150
doesn't mean I always believe them

740
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:41,990
But I say that's work

741
00:26:42,070 --> 00:26:43,509
Like, look at our family life

742
00:26:43,829 --> 00:26:44,170
Yes

743
00:26:44,570 --> 00:26:45,310
And I think that's so important

744
00:26:45,310 --> 00:26:46,530
And making sure that that's special

745
00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:46,829
Yeah

746
00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:48,610
So on to you

747
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:51,160
people, people love you so much

748
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:56,100
and um, and I met you, uh, five, six years ago now

749
00:26:56,100 --> 00:26:58,000
it would have been when I just came to Sydney

750
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,240
when you just came to Sydney

751
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,080
and you've always been such a special friend, mentor

752
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,420
um, help with the brand

753
00:27:04,420 --> 00:27:06,540
just on a personal level as well

754
00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:09,400
so I know a lot of people feel the same about you

755
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,400
even though they don't know you

756
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:12,000
and I actually spoke to the girls the other

757
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,260
day when we were organizing the podcast

758
00:27:14,260 --> 00:27:18,500
and these are the words I said, I said, I haven't slept

759
00:27:18,500 --> 00:27:21,040
So I'm not teary because I'm

760
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,919
you just really love me

761
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,850
The words I said to the girls were, you know, guys

762
00:27:26,850 --> 00:27:29,670
Matilda is just the kindest person

763
00:27:29,810 --> 00:27:31,659
I've never heard a bad word come out of her mouth

764
00:27:31,659 --> 00:27:32,530
I've never heard a bad thing

765
00:27:32,610 --> 00:27:33,370
She is divine

766
00:27:33,930 --> 00:27:35,830
And, and they, they don't know you

767
00:27:35,950 --> 00:27:36,830
And so they said, oh, really

768
00:27:37,170 --> 00:27:38,590
Oh, is that what she's like

769
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:42,310
Like, and, and not to say that you're the other way, but just

770
00:27:42,310 --> 00:27:42,770
they were like

771
00:27:42,770 --> 00:27:44,390
so intrigued to hear that about you

772
00:27:44,470 --> 00:27:45,090
That's so kind

773
00:27:45,170 --> 00:27:45,470
Yeah

774
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:46,230
And it's true

775
00:27:46,230 --> 00:27:46,350
through

776
00:27:46,350 --> 00:27:49,370
I've known you for a long time now, so I can say that

777
00:27:49,370 --> 00:27:55,000
But people are fascinated by you and your style and your lifestyle

778
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,990
So talk us through

779
00:27:55,990 --> 00:27:57,010
what's your typical day

780
00:27:57,010 --> 00:27:59,950
What do you do on a daily basis

781
00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:01,630
My days are so different

782
00:28:01,630 --> 00:28:03,140
So, like a Monday, for example

783
00:28:03,140 --> 00:28:04,800
I'm in the office all day long

784
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,600
I cannot leave the office on a Monday

785
00:28:07,380 --> 00:28:09,040
Don and I go in together

786
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:09,860
We leave at 6

787
00:28:09,860 --> 00:28:12,350
30 in the morning and then we're there until like, 7pm

788
00:28:12,350 --> 00:28:14,120
It is back--to-back meetings all day, day long

789
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:16,140
so Mondays are my only day that

790
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:18,000
I would say is set in stone

791
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,080
then the rest of the week it really depends

792
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,280
so I wake up, I work out

793
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,500
I have to work out every day, every day

794
00:28:24,500 --> 00:28:26,380
well, weekdays, yeah, um

795
00:28:26,380 --> 00:28:27,800
maybe on the weekend as well

796
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,520
if Don and I like having a real wellness day

797
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:30,980
and then we'll text each other during the workout

798
00:28:30,980 --> 00:28:32,760
we're like, go us like this, like we are

799
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,260
we are it like this is so good

800
00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:35,680
so I have to work out

801
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,580
if I don't work out, Don knows as well, because, like

802
00:28:38,580 --> 00:28:40,060
I'll be full of of anxious energy

803
00:28:40,060 --> 00:28:41,100
and what do you do

804
00:28:41,100 --> 00:28:45,360
um, weightlifting, i got chat gpt to write me a new workout program

805
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,520
so it's good

806
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,780
she's good, she knows i'm obsessed with my chat

807
00:28:48,780 --> 00:28:51,120
her name's gg, i love her so much, she named herself

808
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,020
what's the best prompt that you've given

809
00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:56,630
gg, um, i haven't given

810
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:57,550
no, i haven't given

811
00:28:57,550 --> 00:29:02,510
i have saved and screenshot so many prompts that i've seen people talk about

812
00:29:02,510 --> 00:29:03,090
where they'll just like

813
00:29:03,090 --> 00:29:04,030
organize their life

814
00:29:04,030 --> 00:29:05,570
or gg will be like my pa

815
00:29:05,570 --> 00:29:08,400
where she's just like my little like girlfriend at the moment

816
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,830
We'll just like chat about things

817
00:29:10,289 --> 00:29:12,469
But I love, I love Gigi

818
00:29:12,469 --> 00:29:14,430
So Gigi helps me out with my workouts

819
00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:18,360
And then I'll either go to the office

820
00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,380
I'll go to meetings, I'll go to events

821
00:29:20,380 --> 00:29:21,900
It really changes every single day

822
00:29:21,900 --> 00:29:23,730
but I'm very strategic with my time

823
00:29:23,730 --> 00:29:24,940
Like in my calendar

824
00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:27,700
I always kind of block out travel time as well

825
00:29:27,700 --> 00:29:30,040
And if I'm going somewhere that's like longer than 10 minutes

826
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,110
I'm going to be catching an Uber and I'm going to be working

827
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:35,720
So I'm on my laptop and I always

828
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,230
that's so millennial of me

829
00:29:37,230 --> 00:29:38,120
because I can't reply

830
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:39,820
I can't do work on my phone

831
00:29:39,820 --> 00:29:41,700
Like my phone is for, like, my social media

832
00:29:41,700 --> 00:29:44,050
And then if I need to do emails, I'm on my laptop

833
00:29:44,069 --> 00:29:46,710
If I'm getting a blow dry, I'm on my laptop

834
00:29:46,710 --> 00:29:50,159
I'm always trying to get my work done wherever I am

835
00:29:50,159 --> 00:29:54,830
And then there's a lot of events that I attend, a lot of meetings

836
00:29:54,830 --> 00:29:56,170
a lot of Zooms

837
00:29:57,289 --> 00:30:01,090
Yeah, it's, I mean, every day truly is so different

838
00:30:01,090 --> 00:30:03,540
People might not know this about you, but I do

839
00:30:03,540 --> 00:30:04,659
because back in the day

840
00:30:04,659 --> 00:30:06,240
and we're only talking six years ago

841
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,910
you were actually a beauty skin influencer

842
00:30:08,190 --> 00:30:08,510
Yes

843
00:30:08,550 --> 00:30:10,690
A very prolific one

844
00:30:10,830 --> 00:30:13,190
And I think you, well, what I can tell

845
00:30:13,190 --> 00:30:14,130
tell me if this is correct

846
00:30:14,130 --> 00:30:16,230
but you let it go a little bit to focus more on stacks

847
00:30:16,430 --> 00:30:16,630
Yeah

848
00:30:17,390 --> 00:30:19,600
But you have the most amazing skin

849
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,770
And what is your skin routine at the moment

850
00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:24,040
So Naked Sundays every day, of course

851
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,450
big on my sunscreen, big on my LED

852
00:30:28,350 --> 00:30:30,790
I get regular treatments and facials

853
00:30:30,790 --> 00:30:32,770
Like when I get my skin done, I don't want

854
00:30:32,770 --> 00:30:33,590
just like a double cleanse

855
00:30:33,690 --> 00:30:35,290
Like I'm doing like lasers, Morpheus

856
00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:36,530
I need like a treatment

857
00:30:37,910 --> 00:30:39,310
And I love skin

858
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:43,039
I still do like the influencing side of things

859
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:46,300
I love, I think I said on a podcast recently, I was like

860
00:30:46,300 --> 00:30:47,230
I love being an influencer

861
00:30:47,430 --> 00:30:48,050
I do

862
00:30:48,170 --> 00:30:51,040
And I just genuinely share all of the things that I love

863
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,340
I have always been someone who recommends products

864
00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:56,330
I remember when I worked in recruitment, this, like, stuck to me, like

865
00:30:56,330 --> 00:30:57,530
has stuck with me so vividly

866
00:30:57,530 --> 00:30:59,390
someone says, you need to work in

867
00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:01,050
this was before influencing was a thing

868
00:31:01,050 --> 00:31:03,670
like you always know the new and best products

869
00:31:03,670 --> 00:31:05,150
like you've tried everything first

870
00:31:05,150 --> 00:31:07,110
you need to be like a recommend, telling

871
00:31:07,110 --> 00:31:09,110
what do they call a recommender or something

872
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:10,630
and i was like, i would love that

873
00:31:10,630 --> 00:31:12,270
that's why i wanted to do journalism

874
00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:13,510
i wanted to be a beauty girl at cosmo

875
00:31:13,510 --> 00:31:17,250
um, so i've always done that and i've always shared what i love

876
00:31:17,250 --> 00:31:20,190
so doing that is like, it's my hobby

877
00:31:20,190 --> 00:31:21,550
it's my favorite thing to do

878
00:31:21,550 --> 00:31:23,390
i love jumping online and raving about a product

879
00:31:23,390 --> 00:31:25,170
and then someone will come to me and be like, oh my god

880
00:31:25,170 --> 00:31:26,020
i love this too, too

881
00:31:26,020 --> 00:31:28,870
Um, so skin

882
00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:32,690
and I just love the whole self--care aspect of it

883
00:31:32,690 --> 00:31:34,890
You know, I'm in there every night doing like, sheet masks

884
00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:37,090
and I've got my lamp on, cause, like

885
00:31:37,090 --> 00:31:39,990
no big lights in the bathroom when I'm doing my evening shower

886
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:41,210
So I've got like, my lamp on

887
00:31:41,210 --> 00:31:42,780
I'm playing jazz music, I'm doing skincare

888
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:45,120
Like, it's just, I love being a girl

889
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,710
I love that girly stuff

890
00:31:46,710 --> 00:31:50,580
A lot of people don't say that they don't have time, time to do

891
00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:52,570
um, wellness nighttime routine

892
00:31:52,570 --> 00:31:57,780
And we can see that for for ourselves, and life is really, really busy

893
00:31:57,780 --> 00:32:01,430
but I talk to younger girls who maybe work at our work, in our office

894
00:32:01,430 --> 00:32:03,600
and they just up late

895
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:04,790
maybe scrolling on their phone

896
00:32:04,790 --> 00:32:07,790
And I think I feel the same as you

897
00:32:07,790 --> 00:32:08,230
that

898
00:32:09,050 --> 00:32:12,030
we have to get to a point where we have this routine for ourselves

899
00:32:12,030 --> 00:32:16,170
yeah, what are the top tips that you have figured

900
00:32:16,170 --> 00:32:19,370
out that you can do and and prioritize

901
00:32:19,370 --> 00:32:21,790
and what have you made time for for wellness

902
00:32:21,790 --> 00:32:22,730
for like wellness

903
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:23,730
okay

904
00:32:23,730 --> 00:32:27,330
so i was talking to don about fake tanning the other day and how far it's come

905
00:32:27,330 --> 00:32:29,530
because there's now 10 minute tans

906
00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:33,890
which is like mind--blowing so when it comes to beauty and wellness

907
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:35,190
there's so much you can like

908
00:32:35,190 --> 00:32:36,890
habit stack, i'm all about habit stacking

909
00:32:36,890 --> 00:32:39,110
so, you know, i get out the shower

910
00:32:39,110 --> 00:32:40,350
my led mask goes on

911
00:32:40,350 --> 00:32:41,430
i'm moisturizing my body

912
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:43,470
i will go over, i'll pick my outfit

913
00:32:43,470 --> 00:32:44,690
my led is still on, like

914
00:32:44,690 --> 00:32:45,410
there's like several

915
00:32:45,410 --> 00:32:46,010
is this the morning

916
00:32:46,010 --> 00:32:47,070
this is in the morning

917
00:32:47,070 --> 00:32:48,630
you have, you get out of the shower

918
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:50,230
you put your led mask on

919
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:52,090
and then you go pick out your outfit while you're led

920
00:32:52,090 --> 00:32:54,050
yeah, okay, this is great, this is great

921
00:32:54,050 --> 00:32:56,010
and then you're moisturizing and doing it all

922
00:32:56,010 --> 00:32:59,970
doing the 10 minute tan, yeah, by the way

923
00:32:59,970 --> 00:33:01,530
the 10 minute tan i i

924
00:33:01,530 --> 00:33:04,570
have been given it as well and i've heard it's amazing, so it's amazing

925
00:33:04,570 --> 00:33:07,430
yes, it's from loving, okay, but i said to don

926
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:10,030
the other day, i said, like i said to him

927
00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:11,790
this is probably a conversation to have with like the girls

928
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:13,650
but i said that to him, and i said

929
00:33:13,650 --> 00:33:15,830
the innovation of fake tan is just crazy

930
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:18,650
because i remember when i used to do like

931
00:33:18,650 --> 00:33:22,110
a double coat of like this super wet mousse and i used to have

932
00:33:22,110 --> 00:33:23,690
to stand there in front of a fan like

933
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:25,890
and i also wanted to be like, really

934
00:33:25,890 --> 00:33:26,270
orange

935
00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:28,650
like my tan was was not great like many years ago

936
00:33:28,650 --> 00:33:32,370
but now I love three warriors tan as well, so I love that

937
00:33:32,370 --> 00:33:35,790
um and I, you put it on, you're dry

938
00:33:35,790 --> 00:33:38,430
the um loving tan 10 minutes

939
00:33:38,430 --> 00:33:39,750
you have it on for 10 minutes

940
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:42,410
you can do your led mask, you take it off

941
00:33:42,410 --> 00:33:43,950
you jump in the shower, continue on

942
00:33:43,950 --> 00:33:46,210
like, I'm very, I use my time wisely

943
00:33:46,210 --> 00:33:48,490
um, but in saying that I don't have kids

944
00:33:48,490 --> 00:33:52,350
so I can't say things won't change when I do have have children

945
00:33:52,350 --> 00:33:53,190
because, like

946
00:33:53,190 --> 00:33:57,190
I'm sure my 10 minute time and my LED won't be on like the top of my

947
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:57,819
priority list

948
00:33:57,819 --> 00:33:58,960
You follow Lauren Bostick

949
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,610
I do, yes

950
00:33:59,610 --> 00:34:00,039
Big fan

951
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:01,470
We love Skinny Confidential and

952
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:05,910
she has multiple kids, I think four now, Yeah, she's a busy girl

953
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:08,120
And you just wake up half an hour earlier

954
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,389
Yeah

955
00:34:08,389 --> 00:34:08,850
That's it

956
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:09,170
Yeah

957
00:34:09,170 --> 00:34:10,960
You know, if you really want it

958
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,179
you set the alarm for half an hour earlier

959
00:34:13,179 --> 00:34:16,270
My kids won't be too scared because they should be used to me with the LED on

960
00:34:16,270 --> 00:34:17,969
like, right from the get--go because it is a fry

961
00:34:17,969 --> 00:34:18,699
It is a fry

962
00:34:18,699 --> 00:34:19,860
No, they'll be out of the woods

963
00:34:19,860 --> 00:34:21,500
I've got got the LED mask on

964
00:34:21,500 --> 00:34:23,330
They won't recognize me without it

965
00:34:23,330 --> 00:34:23,920
Without it

966
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,949
So, okay

967
00:34:24,949 --> 00:34:27,030
So you've got your moisturizer, you've got your LED mask on

968
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:27,949
then you're picking your outfit

969
00:34:27,949 --> 00:34:28,670
What is the one

970
00:34:28,670 --> 00:34:32,179
thing that you look in your wardrobe, which by the way, it's to die for

971
00:34:32,179 --> 00:34:33,690
I can't, it's too much

972
00:34:33,810 --> 00:34:34,440
It's so good

973
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,040
Thank you

974
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,609
I love clothes

975
00:34:35,609 --> 00:34:36,110
Shoes

976
00:34:36,110 --> 00:34:36,510
Yeah

977
00:34:36,510 --> 00:34:37,840
And we love your clothes

978
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,730
But sometimes I look at your posts and I think to myself

979
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:43,889
because I know you do the designer, but you do a mix

980
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:45,659
but I'm like, oh, I can't afford that

981
00:34:45,659 --> 00:34:48,130
What's the one thing that you absolutely love, designer

982
00:34:48,130 --> 00:34:49,070
a non--designer

983
00:34:49,250 --> 00:34:51,980
I love everything

984
00:34:51,980 --> 00:34:53,469
That sounds so silly

985
00:34:53,469 --> 00:34:55,199
but this top today is

986
00:34:55,199 --> 00:34:56,969
I think it's like $60 from the Iconic

987
00:34:56,969 --> 00:35:00,210
These are a pair of Mossman pants that are many years old now

988
00:35:00,210 --> 00:35:01,090
My bag's the row

989
00:35:01,090 --> 00:35:02,570
I love mixing and matching

990
00:35:02,790 --> 00:35:06,530
And I really am very intentional with my purchases

991
00:35:06,530 --> 00:35:10,220
I want things that I can wear time and time again and for many years to come

992
00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:13,660
I get so much satisfaction out of outfit repeating

993
00:35:13,660 --> 00:35:16,170
What's the one thing that you've bought

994
00:35:16,170 --> 00:35:17,650
What's the one thing

995
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:29,720
what's the one thing that you have bought

996
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:30,880
that you've worn time and time again

997
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,740
that you just love all of my bags

998
00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:36,060
i would say i invest in my handbags and i love them

999
00:35:36,060 --> 00:35:38,645
i re--wear i

1000
00:35:38,645 --> 00:35:41,050
oh, there's also one pair of tony bianco shoes

1001
00:35:41,050 --> 00:35:44,450
and they're on sale at the moment and i swear i would have worn them like

1002
00:35:44,450 --> 00:35:46,570
like, a hundred times in the past, like, three months

1003
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:48,530
What color are they so that we can look

1004
00:35:48,610 --> 00:35:49,190
What are they called

1005
00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:52,480
They have a really – I'll send them to you

1006
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:53,470
Are they a sandal or a pump

1007
00:35:53,750 --> 00:35:57,400
It's a little sandal

1008
00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:57,740
Okay

1009
00:35:58,720 --> 00:35:59,440
Heeled sandal

1010
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:01,240
They're kind of giving Gucci

1011
00:36:01,620 --> 00:36:01,980
Okay

1012
00:36:02,020 --> 00:36:02,860
I'll send them to you

1013
00:36:02,980 --> 00:36:03,300
Please

1014
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:03,800
They're on sale

1015
00:36:03,940 --> 00:36:05,360
They're, like, $60 at the moment as well

1016
00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:06,500
You heard that first, girls

1017
00:36:06,660 --> 00:36:07,400
It's on sale

1018
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:08,440
And you're – yeah

1019
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,640
so – But I just love to get dressed I love making outfits

1020
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,929
and I love incorporating Stacks and Streetwear into it, too

1021
00:36:14,929 --> 00:36:15,560
And I love that

1022
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:16,950
we can do like active wear

1023
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:18,620
but then we also have like really cool

1024
00:36:18,620 --> 00:36:22,220
like tracksuits and jackets and stirrup leggings and things like that

1025
00:36:22,220 --> 00:36:23,080
Are you looking at my outfits

1026
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,040
So I've got my Stacks top and my Henny outfit

1027
00:36:26,359 --> 00:36:27,780
Two of my favorite brands

1028
00:36:27,859 --> 00:36:28,280
Yes

1029
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,400
I agree

1030
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:30,870
And I find with Stacks

1031
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:32,209
not to go on and on

1032
00:36:32,209 --> 00:36:34,430
but I could go on and on

1033
00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:38,350
that I get the everyday pieces that I can wear to work

1034
00:36:38,350 --> 00:36:40,360
So I've got the bomber jackets in every color

1035
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:41,040
Oh, amazing

1036
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,520
And I'm able to wear that with jeans

1037
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,740
I'm able to wear that at night

1038
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:45,910
when I'm wearing a little black dress

1039
00:36:45,910 --> 00:36:47,640
I've got the little beige bomber

1040
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:48,340
Cute, yeah

1041
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,209
So I love that we can do that now with active wear

1042
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,660
whereas I feel like before COVID

1043
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:54,000
that probably wasn't a thing

1044
00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:54,740
Yeah

1045
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:57,070
People want to wear pieces that they have in their wardrobe

1046
00:36:57,070 --> 00:36:59,100
whether that be active wear or, you know

1047
00:36:59,100 --> 00:37:00,010
your heading outfit now

1048
00:37:00,010 --> 00:37:02,450
So I love being able to mix and match and create outfits

1049
00:37:02,450 --> 00:37:04,250
That's like one of my favorite pastimes

1050
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:06,440
I just like make outfits in my wardrobe

1051
00:37:06,740 --> 00:37:07,700
I've seen the videos

1052
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,540
Yeah, and it saves me so much time

1053
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:11,220
every day as well

1054
00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:12,439
Because, like, my outfit's sorted

1055
00:37:12,439 --> 00:37:14,000
This has been sorted since you told me that

1056
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,310
I was going to come on your pod

1057
00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:16,030
I was like, okay, cool

1058
00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:16,589
What will I wear

1059
00:37:16,589 --> 00:37:20,060
And I have options like type A and also an outfit girly

1060
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:22,189
And I just want to talk quickly about your nighttime routine

1061
00:37:22,189 --> 00:37:24,480
So do you redo the LED mask

1062
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,930
What's the nighttime routine

1063
00:37:25,930 --> 00:37:27,080
How do you switch off

1064
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:29,840
LED is, if I haven't done my LED in the morning

1065
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:30,550
I'll do it in the evening

1066
00:37:30,550 --> 00:37:31,940
I prefer to do it in the morning

1067
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:35,900
But, like I said, I have like a dimly lit shower

1068
00:37:35,900 --> 00:37:37,490
I shower twice a day

1069
00:37:37,490 --> 00:37:39,840
When I posted did that on instagram, people went crazy

1070
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,400
i shower twice a day minimum

1071
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:42,600
how many times a day do you shower

1072
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,920
yeah, some people like

1073
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,220
that's because we work out in the morning

1074
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:47,720
and then we go to work all day and shower at night

1075
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,460
yeah, well, sometimes three times a day

1076
00:37:49,460 --> 00:37:50,480
do people shower once

1077
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,560
yeah, they do, yeah

1078
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:52,500
morning or night

1079
00:37:53,210 --> 00:37:54,790
whatever their preference is

1080
00:37:54,790 --> 00:37:56,410
and then I also said

1081
00:37:56,410 --> 00:37:58,150
sometimes I shower three times a day because

1082
00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:00,330
I might do a workout in the middle of the day or I need to freshen up

1083
00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:01,950
crazy, you know

1084
00:38:01,950 --> 00:38:03,890
but I shower in the evening

1085
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:05,470
that was so controversial

1086
00:38:05,470 --> 00:38:07,590
I always moisturize when I get out the shower

1087
00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:08,790
full body moisturizing

1088
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:11,090
um, which not a lot of people do

1089
00:38:11,090 --> 00:38:11,410
I know

1090
00:38:11,410 --> 00:38:13,230
that's also a TikTok trend, or a TikTok

1091
00:38:13,230 --> 00:38:17,210
people are losing their minds on TikTok because people moisturize

1092
00:38:17,210 --> 00:38:18,710
is it like an old person's thing

1093
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:19,850
not that I'm putting you in my bucket

1094
00:38:19,850 --> 00:38:21,970
yeah, I think it is because my mom taught me to do it

1095
00:38:21,970 --> 00:38:22,910
yes, yeah Yeah, yeah

1096
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:24,920
But I feel like I'll teach my kids to do it

1097
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,450
Yeah, but I feel like maybe the generation missed it

1098
00:38:27,550 --> 00:38:27,910
Yeah, true

1099
00:38:28,010 --> 00:38:29,590
Maybe because they have fake tan on

1100
00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:32,230
You need a moisturizer to keep your fake tan on

1101
00:38:33,330 --> 00:38:36,450
Not that I'm putting Matilda into my old personal life

1102
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:38,830
I tell you, I'm feeling old these days

1103
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:40,090
Not that you're out there

1104
00:38:40,150 --> 00:38:42,350
Oh, my God, we need to backtrack out of that

1105
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:43,650
Neither of us are old

1106
00:38:43,730 --> 00:38:44,490
We are spring chickens

1107
00:38:44,770 --> 00:38:45,070
Thank you

1108
00:38:46,530 --> 00:38:48,950
And so evening shower

1109
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:53,390
I love having a lamp on to do my evening shower instead of like the big lights

1110
00:38:53,390 --> 00:38:55,170
um, in the bathroom

1111
00:38:55,170 --> 00:38:57,050
I play jazz music like I literally

1112
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:59,030
I make every moment, a moment

1113
00:38:59,030 --> 00:38:59,990
and I'm all about like

1114
00:38:59,990 --> 00:39:01,090
little life elevations

1115
00:39:01,090 --> 00:39:02,310
and that's also really good

1116
00:39:02,310 --> 00:39:05,070
if you've had a shitty day at work is just knowing that

1117
00:39:05,070 --> 00:39:07,190
like my bedtime, my evening shower is like

1118
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:08,370
that's always going to be good

1119
00:39:08,370 --> 00:39:09,250
at the end of the day

1120
00:39:09,250 --> 00:39:13,330
I can come home and de--stress and just be in this like beautiful sanctuary

1121
00:39:13,330 --> 00:39:15,270
I also think everyone can do that

1122
00:39:15,270 --> 00:39:18,070
like all you need to do is put a lamp on and play some music

1123
00:39:18,070 --> 00:39:18,870
you're going to shower anyway

1124
00:39:18,870 --> 00:39:20,510
just making those little moments, taking

1125
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:23,000
Taking an extra second or two and just, like

1126
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,510
really creating a bit of zen

1127
00:39:24,510 --> 00:39:26,970
a bit of you time makes all the difference

1128
00:39:26,970 --> 00:39:29,050
And then I do my skincare routine

1129
00:39:29,250 --> 00:39:32,040
I'm a DMK girly, so I do my skincare routine every night

1130
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,550
put my jammies on

1131
00:39:34,090 --> 00:39:35,250
Yeah, I love it

1132
00:39:35,290 --> 00:39:36,510
And I watch The Office every single night

1133
00:39:36,670 --> 00:39:37,210
Every night

1134
00:39:37,350 --> 00:39:39,210
Yeah, that's how I fall asleep, don't I, watch The Office

1135
00:39:39,530 --> 00:39:42,820
We'll even watch a movie and then we put The Office on for, like

1136
00:39:42,820 --> 00:39:43,980
when I'm falling asleep

1137
00:39:43,980 --> 00:39:45,910
Do you know you have the most incredible energy

1138
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:47,230
You really do

1139
00:39:47,450 --> 00:39:48,690
That's the best compliment

1140
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:49,170
Thank you

1141
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:56,770
the kindness and the beautiful energy just shines through and i can see that you

1142
00:39:57,590 --> 00:40:00,110
love life and you but you do these simple

1143
00:40:00,110 --> 00:40:02,190
things to make sure that each day is special

1144
00:40:02,190 --> 00:40:05,150
and i'm just listening, thinking, as you just said

1145
00:40:05,150 --> 00:40:06,190
it's so simple to do

1146
00:40:06,190 --> 00:40:08,710
yeah, turn the light off, put the lamp on

1147
00:40:08,710 --> 00:40:12,970
everyone has a shower, yeah, turn the lamp on, yeah, put the music on, yeah

1148
00:40:12,970 --> 00:40:13,790
and we forget, get

1149
00:40:13,790 --> 00:40:17,710
we're so busy and hustle and rushing and scrolling

1150
00:40:17,710 --> 00:40:19,730
and even as I'm saying it

1151
00:40:19,730 --> 00:40:23,350
I'm like thinking of my night last night, scrolling, rushing, emailing

1152
00:40:23,350 --> 00:40:25,150
like, just tidying kitchen

1153
00:40:25,150 --> 00:40:26,650
and it's like, well, hang on

1154
00:40:26,650 --> 00:40:28,250
it takes five minutes to have a shower

1155
00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:30,290
put some music on and put the lamp on and have a shower

1156
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:31,410
have a shower at night

1157
00:40:31,410 --> 00:40:33,010
girls, yes, do it and moisturize

1158
00:40:33,010 --> 00:40:35,990
but also not to say I'm also so addicted to my phone

1159
00:40:35,990 --> 00:40:39,350
there'll be times I'm just even before I was scrolling and I've

1160
00:40:39,350 --> 00:40:40,939
I've read a message

1161
00:40:40,939 --> 00:40:42,710
but I couldn't tell you what it says

1162
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:43,330
I'm just like

1163
00:40:43,330 --> 00:40:46,800
so used to that routine of scrolling and being chronically online

1164
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,590
That's something I really try

1165
00:40:48,590 --> 00:40:51,860
and when I walk Cinnamon, my little dog

1166
00:40:51,860 --> 00:40:52,800
I'm not on my phone

1167
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:53,670
My phone is with me

1168
00:40:53,670 --> 00:40:57,320
but I'm not on my phone because I want to be present with her at the time

1169
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,560
And it's just like little steps like that

1170
00:40:58,610 --> 00:41:00,870
Don yesterday complimented me and said that

1171
00:41:00,870 --> 00:41:02,990
he has noticed that I'm not on my phone as much

1172
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:03,960
He's always on his phone

1173
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,210
So he's not trying to be like

1174
00:41:05,210 --> 00:41:07,069
a little bit less on like I am

1175
00:41:07,090 --> 00:41:08,950
but I really do make the effort just to

1176
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:12,630
kind of put it away and not be so addicted

1177
00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:15,110
I am very addicted to my phone

1178
00:41:15,110 --> 00:41:18,010
I am always online, but I can't tell you the last thing I saw online

1179
00:41:18,010 --> 00:41:21,370
which I think is even worse because I'm just doing it out of habit

1180
00:41:21,629 --> 00:41:24,350
So I'm not perfect in that sense

1181
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:27,590
I'm definitely not perfect in just always

1182
00:41:27,590 --> 00:41:30,180
being present and making every moment a moment

1183
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:31,689
I can see now why

1184
00:41:31,689 --> 00:41:36,870
you know, we both speak to a lot of people and honestly

1185
00:41:36,870 --> 00:41:38,090
i'm not just saying how

1186
00:41:38,090 --> 00:41:38,570
when i

1187
00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:40,610
i got home from that lunch and i literally

1188
00:41:40,610 --> 00:41:44,470
said to the girls that what i said and i wasn't, thank you

1189
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:45,930
genuinely like

1190
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:47,850
i have no reason to say anything about anyone

1191
00:41:47,850 --> 00:41:49,070
and i was genuinely like that

1192
00:41:49,070 --> 00:41:50,850
matilda is just the most divine

1193
00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:53,290
um, okay, just some quick fire questions

1194
00:41:53,290 --> 00:41:54,370
that's what i call the brand

1195
00:41:54,370 --> 00:41:56,670
naked sundays what's your ideal sunday

1196
00:41:56,670 --> 00:42:01,070
okay, easy, my ideal sunday sleep in, walk, cinnamon, make brunch

1197
00:42:01,070 --> 00:42:03,870
so i do like a really good scrambled eggs and then

1198
00:42:03,870 --> 00:42:05,730
Then Don and I will go to the gym

1199
00:42:07,009 --> 00:42:09,730
I need to do like an hour or two of work

1200
00:42:09,770 --> 00:42:12,019
I have to do because that really sets up my week

1201
00:42:12,019 --> 00:42:13,670
And then a Sunday night massage

1202
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:14,650
watch The Office

1203
00:42:15,330 --> 00:42:15,710
That's it

1204
00:42:15,770 --> 00:42:15,970
Easy

1205
00:42:16,050 --> 00:42:16,210
Done

1206
00:42:16,370 --> 00:42:18,330
I feel like I've seen you outside the massage place

1207
00:42:18,510 --> 00:42:18,890
Yeah, you have

1208
00:42:18,930 --> 00:42:20,750
When I walk out

1209
00:42:20,770 --> 00:42:22,410
Oh, I've seen you in the massage place

1210
00:42:22,610 --> 00:42:22,970
Yeah

1211
00:42:23,070 --> 00:42:23,910
We know the good spots

1212
00:42:24,030 --> 00:42:25,250
We do know the good spots

1213
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:26,090
Okay

1214
00:42:26,810 --> 00:42:28,750
Best podcast that you've been listening to

1215
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:30,970
I really love Giggly Squad

1216
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:32,270
We were just talking about this before

1217
00:42:32,270 --> 00:42:33,790
it's, um, Hannah and Paige

1218
00:42:33,790 --> 00:42:36,730
they were originally on a reality tv show

1219
00:42:36,730 --> 00:42:37,710
now they've gone on to

1220
00:42:38,770 --> 00:42:39,170
podcasting

1221
00:42:39,170 --> 00:42:40,150
Paige has her own brand

1222
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:40,870
Hannah's a comedian

1223
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:42,010
they are so funny

1224
00:42:42,010 --> 00:42:44,610
I listen to them they put me in the best mood

1225
00:42:44,610 --> 00:42:46,750
I listen to a lot of like business ones as well

1226
00:42:46,750 --> 00:42:49,370
but depending on who I want to channel for the day

1227
00:42:49,370 --> 00:42:50,230
like, if I want to be like

1228
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:51,910
fine and bubbly before this

1229
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:53,030
I listen to Geekly Squad

1230
00:42:53,030 --> 00:42:55,350
whereas if I have to be in the office and like

1231
00:42:55,350 --> 00:42:56,310
make some big decisions

1232
00:42:56,310 --> 00:42:59,230
I'm listening to the diary of a CEO or I'm doing something like that

1233
00:42:59,230 --> 00:43:01,770
so I'm very like, I choose

1234
00:43:01,770 --> 00:43:03,260
choose my podcast wisely every day

1235
00:43:03,260 --> 00:43:04,970
Number one health hack

1236
00:43:05,089 --> 00:43:07,590
Number one health hack is sleep

1237
00:43:07,590 --> 00:43:09,590
I am big on sleep

1238
00:43:09,590 --> 00:43:10,019
Sleep

1239
00:43:10,019 --> 00:43:11,160
if I don't get enough sleep

1240
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,170
I'm an absolute nightmare

1241
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:16,650
And my aura ring, I sleep with my aura ring on

1242
00:43:16,650 --> 00:43:18,160
and I track my sleep every single night

1243
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,970
I'm very good at sleeping now because I've, like, worked out

1244
00:43:20,970 --> 00:43:23,490
like my chronotype and what time to fall asleep and all of this

1245
00:43:23,490 --> 00:43:25,690
but sleep is my number one health hack

1246
00:43:26,670 --> 00:43:28,850
you need it, that's you need to take that

1247
00:43:28,850 --> 00:43:30,470
i heard you got no sleep last night

1248
00:43:30,470 --> 00:43:32,090
i have 10 more questions on that

1249
00:43:32,090 --> 00:43:33,670
but we'll just leave that for now

1250
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:37,670
um, number one book that you've read that has

1251
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:39,370
changed your perception about something

1252
00:43:39,370 --> 00:43:45,570
um, so my number one book would be what is the habit book

1253
00:43:45,570 --> 00:43:46,930
atomic habits

1254
00:43:46,930 --> 00:43:48,670
that's, you haven't read it

1255
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:50,250
i have read james clear

1256
00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:52,890
and i've also listened to every podcast he's ever done, and i'm obsessed

1257
00:43:52,890 --> 00:43:54,590
yeah, atomic habits is great

1258
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:56,690
but the daily stoic is is also really great

1259
00:43:56,690 --> 00:43:57,330
Have you read that

1260
00:43:57,330 --> 00:43:57,850
No, I haven't

1261
00:43:57,850 --> 00:43:58,130
I haven't even heard of it

1262
00:43:58,130 --> 00:44:02,330
So it's by Ryan Halliday and he's fantastic

1263
00:44:02,330 --> 00:44:03,580
All of his books

1264
00:44:03,580 --> 00:44:05,420
I'm going to add, you said, Quickfire

1265
00:44:05,420 --> 00:44:06,970
I'm not really, very good at Quickfire

1266
00:44:07,070 --> 00:44:08,940
He does really fantastic books

1267
00:44:08,940 --> 00:44:11,700
The Ego is the Enemy, not The Power of Now

1268
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:13,790
The Ego is the Enemy, books like that

1269
00:44:13,790 --> 00:44:14,810
I've got all of them

1270
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:17,069
Okay, Ryan Halliday is fantastic

1271
00:44:17,069 --> 00:44:21,390
The Daily Stoic is one of those books that you read one quote every day

1272
00:44:21,390 --> 00:44:24,290
So it's like a calendar and then you would open it and read that

1273
00:44:24,290 --> 00:44:25,880
You keep keep it forever and you go through it

1274
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,310
And it really just like puts life into perspective

1275
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:31,300
And I wouldn't say I'm stoic, like I'm emotional

1276
00:44:31,300 --> 00:44:34,030
but I love reading about it and implementing like

1277
00:44:34,030 --> 00:44:36,060
little bits of that book into my life

1278
00:44:36,130 --> 00:44:37,730
And then I think that helps me be able to

1279
00:44:37,730 --> 00:44:42,160
compartmentalize as well and just not be so emotional and reactive to things

1280
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:45,070
I'm going to put the details in the show notes and also for myself

1281
00:44:45,070 --> 00:44:45,949
Thank you for that

1282
00:44:45,949 --> 00:44:47,990
And my last question is

1283
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:53,050
what is next for or Matilda Murray and Stax

1284
00:44:53,350 --> 00:44:56,050
Okay, so we have so many new collections coming

1285
00:44:56,050 --> 00:44:57,450
I feel like I say that every time

1286
00:44:57,510 --> 00:45:00,140
but we just continuously get better and better

1287
00:45:00,140 --> 00:45:01,440
and every single thing that I see

1288
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:02,750
I'm so excited for

1289
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:05,550
We have, like, winter's coming up

1290
00:45:05,550 --> 00:45:06,190
and winter is, like

1291
00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:07,410
one of my favorite times to dress for

1292
00:45:07,490 --> 00:45:08,590
so we have really cool pieces

1293
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:12,590
And as I mentioned, we do do streetwear, we do pants

1294
00:45:12,670 --> 00:45:14,640
we do jackets, and these are things we do really well

1295
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,070
So I'm excited to incorporate those into my wardrobe now

1296
00:45:18,070 --> 00:45:19,570
and there'll be some really great Stax launches

1297
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:25,270
For me personally, like I said, today's a good day

1298
00:45:25,390 --> 00:45:26,130
More of today

1299
00:45:26,570 --> 00:45:27,690
More of my Sundays

1300
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:28,890
Those dream Sundays

1301
00:45:28,990 --> 00:45:32,259
If I could schedule them in every week, magnificent

1302
00:45:32,259 --> 00:45:33,630
Do you know what I'm working on

1303
00:45:33,690 --> 00:45:36,470
I'm working on how to make every day a little bit of a Sunday

1304
00:45:36,470 --> 00:45:38,410
And I feel like you've given us some tips

1305
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:39,650
Just the shower

1306
00:45:39,830 --> 00:45:39,990
Yeah

1307
00:45:40,070 --> 00:45:40,990
Or just the morning

1308
00:45:41,230 --> 00:45:41,530
Yeah

1309
00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:43,850
Taking that minute to do your LED mask

1310
00:45:44,110 --> 00:45:44,310
Yeah

1311
00:45:44,310 --> 00:45:45,090
And just in silence

1312
00:45:45,410 --> 00:45:46,350
And wear slippers at home

1313
00:45:46,850 --> 00:45:47,250
Oh

1314
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:48,530
Like, you know, when you go to a hotel

1315
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:50,690
take those slippers and just wear them around the house

1316
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:53,190
And then you feel like you may be on a bit of a vacay

1317
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:53,390
Yeah

1318
00:45:53,450 --> 00:45:54,070
It's just nice

1319
00:45:54,210 --> 00:45:57,010
Like, wearing a little slipper is a little elevation, I think

1320
00:45:57,010 --> 00:45:57,900
Matilda Murray

1321
00:45:57,900 --> 00:46:00,650
thank you so much for being on Sunday Sessions

1322
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I do remember the name of the podcast

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I promise

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We adore you

1325
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My favorite stack season is winter

1326
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Yes

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Because it's hard to find like a good winter outfit that's comfy

1328
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but also you can wear at work

1329
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And so I'm very much looking forward to that

1330
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You guys have done amazingly

1331
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but also you are such an inspiration in

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terms of what it looks like to be a boss

1333
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bitch, that is not a bitch

1334
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Thank you

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I love that

1336
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Thank you

1337
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And that is you

1338
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And you are the kindest, most sweetest, supportive person

1339
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I know that you support the whole community

1340
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not only our community of founders

1341
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but the community at large

1342
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which is the women who wear your brand

1343
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And just on a final note

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you have made an inclusive brand

1345
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and I just am obsessed with that

1346
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because a lot of brands are popping up now and they are for one type

1347
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I mean

1348
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barely a nipple fits into some of the new things that are popping up and you

1349
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feel less than

1350
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you do you feel like these brands are just making things for young girls

1351
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that, and you've never done that

1352
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and we applaud you for that

1353
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everyone sees it and you go all the way up

1354
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from the small to the to every size

1355
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and everyone can feel included

1356
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but that is you, that is your whole personality

1357
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and it shines through

1358
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and I just want to make a point that we all see it

1359
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thank you so much, thank you for chatting

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it's been such a pleasure